Jeter wins GG

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huh?

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sorry I just think it's kinda dumb.

Posts: 3074 · Posted: Nov 02, 2004 10:28 pm

That was my initial response as well, but Jeter had one of the best years of his career posting near career highs in zone rating and range factor. He posted higer ZR and RF than Omar Vizquel. You could easily argue that Tejada and Crosby have much better range but they also made more errors (of course they also had more chances).

Posts: 1009 · Posted: Nov 02, 2004 11:43 pm

Can we get the rest of the GG winners listed?

Posts: 6193 · Posted: Nov 03, 2004 12:17 am

2004 AL Gold Glove winners

Kenny Rogers, P 3rd .985 FPT
Ivan Rodriguez, C 11th .987 FPT
Darin Erstad, 1B 3rd .996 FPT
Bret Boone, 2B 4th .978 FPT
Eric Chavez, 3B 4th .968 FPT
Derek Jeter, SS 1st .981 FPT
Ichiro Suzuki, OF 4th .992 FPT
Torii Hunter, OF 4th .988 FPT
Vernon Wells, OF 1st .997 FPT

The National League Gold Glove winners will be announced Wednesday.

Posts: 1009 · Posted: Nov 03, 2004 12:19 am

Jeff Brown wrote:

2004 AL Gold Glove winners

Kenny Rogers, P 3rd .985 FPT
Ivan Rodriguez, C 11th .987 FPT
Darin Erstad, 1B 3rd .996 FPT
Bret Boone, 2B 4th .978 FPT
Eric Chavez, 3B 4th .968 FPT
Derek Jeter, SS 1st .981 FPT
Ichiro Suzuki, OF 4th .992 FPT
Torii Hunter, OF 4th .988 FPT
Vernon Wells, OF 1st .997 FPT

The National League Gold Glove winners will be announced Wednesday.

Thanks Jeff. I also am surprised at Jeter's GG. With so many outstanding SS in the AL, and with Jeter's performance in the playoffs (which I guess don't count) you would of thought someone else would have won.

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I'll agree that Jeter's had easily his best defensive year in years, I'll still rate him as above average at the best this year... there's no way in my mind that he was the best defensive SS in the AL. I think Tejada (and four other guys after him) got robbed. but who cares anyways? the guys who vote for the GG are the same absent-minded fools who gave Rafael Palmeiro a GG in '99 when he had only played 28 games at 1B.

all of these awards have very little credibility in my eyes.

Posts: 4222 · FIC Hall-of-Famer Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 4222

Jeter's ranked eight in RF and sixth in ZR amongst 11 AL SS with a minimum of 108 (2/3 of 162) games . his errors and fpct look better but fpct is a highly flawed stat mainly due to the subjective nature of the term 'error'. an error is a scorekeeper's opinion of what should have happened. It is a subjective opinion, rather than a set standard.

and to get an error, you had to do something right to begin with, even if it was hit right at you then you were standing in the right place to begin with. but there are some balls that get past fielders that are within the average SS's range that don't even touch their gloves, I.e., no error. That's the idea between RF and ZR; to fairly analyze fielding as best as possible which can sometime be very hard.

Posts: 6193 · Posted: Nov 03, 2004 11:32 pm

2004 NL Gold Glove winners

Greg Maddux, P 14th .987 FPT
Mike Matheny, C 3rd .999 FPT
Todd Helton, 1B 3rd .997 FPT
Luis Castillo, 2B 2nd .991 FPT
Scott Rolen, 3B 6th .977 FPT
Cesar Izturis, SS 1st .985 FPT
Jim Edmonds, OF 7th .988 FPT
Andruw Jones, OF 7th .993 FPT
Steve Finley, OF 5th .992 FPT

Posts: 5062 · Posted: Nov 04, 2004 3:20 am

Jeff Brown wrote:

Cesar Izturis, SS 1st .985 FPT

Thats great. Hes been a great shortstop for a couple years now. One of my favorite players to watch, and very deserving.

when does the Beltre award get announced?

(mvp)